Monday, July 16, 2012

Judge and Jury Have Spoken; Now Comes The Executioner

Worst HJ ever???
Before I get into today's post which has to do with (surprise!) Penn State, a quick story.  So Friday night the wife drops her car off at the dealer for an oil change because she is the only person in the world that believes that the dealership's over-charging means that they are better.  They say that they can get it done in an hour so I volunteer to wait.  Since it's 8 pm on a Friday, I'm in the waiting room by myself.  The TV is turned to Fox News, the remote does not work, and the channel buttons on the TV don't work, so I am stuck listening to people scream at each other regarding topics that I don't care about.  I don't know what happened next but an hour later the service tech tapped me on the shoulder to tell me that the car was ready.  I had decided to make the waiting room an extension of my home by laying on the couch and falling asleep.  I'm sure that the service manager was impressed by my performance.  It was an ELITE nap.  I recommend it (especially the laying down part).  Car dealerships are pretty horrible places but at the right time they can make for an incredible sleep experience.  I just wanted to brag about that for whatever reason.

So what happens now at Penn State?  After the Sandusky verdict and the Freeh Report, it's pretty safe to say that State College is rotten to the core and has been for a long time.  Is there anything more pathetic than someone trying to argue that Joe Paterno should not be judged solely on this disgusting cover-up?  Those people are seriously terrible.  Oh, you don't want Joe's precious goddamn statue torn down?  That's cute.  You're right, though, before and after every football game until the end of time, all fans should be reminded about fucking kids in the ass.  Yep, everyone needs to be constantly aware of those sexy mental images.  Just rip the fucking statue down already.  Take the Paterno name off of everything on campus.  Hell, someone give Bobby Bowden a job again just so he can get that wins record off of Paterno's resume.  Until Penn State and their fans COMPLETELY disengage from JoePa's bullshit, then they will never disassociate from the guy that enabled a predator for well over a decade and HELPED PUT YOU IN THE POSITION THAT YOU'RE IN TODAY.  Who gives a fuck how many libraries he built?  Those were built with blood money.

I think that the evidence is overwhelming that Penn State is the definition of 'lack of institutional control'.  Everyone at the top of the school's food chain put a fucking football team over the well being of innocent children.  So what do we do with the football program?  Can the NCAA do anything?  Should the NCAA do anything?  Is the Death Penalty a viable option?  Why punish those that had nothing to do with the heinous crimes committed years ago?  Would the school punish itself beyond the hundreds of millions of dollars that it will pay out in civil suits?  Now that the awful details are hopefully over, the penalties that are coming are very interesting.

I've always been on the side of not punishing the present for the sins of the past.  I always felt that what the NCAA did to USC was absurd.  Rob Bolden may be a god awful QB but he had nothing to do with any of this garbage so why should he take the fall for what a dead guy and other criminals did?  But why would anyone care about kids that bought into the Paterno bullshit anyway?

Well, hold on, I'm getting ahead of myself here.  Let's just assume that the NCAA has the stones to come and levy a punishment on Penn State even though it is dicey at best that they would even have jurisdiction to do so here.  But for the sake of the post today, let's say that Mark Emmert wants to wield his power.  Stephen A. Smiff was on Sportscenter this weekend screaming about how Penn State needs to shut down the football program for five years.  My first reaction to that was something along the line of "this guy is cray cray".  After thinking about it for awhile though, I don't think that that is too much to ask.

Penn State obviously has a ton of ill will toward itself right now (and it is well deserved).  Fixing the reputation and righting all of their wrongs needs to be the #1 priority in State College.  Having a distraction in the form of a football program that is a constant reminder of what happened is not going to help. 

Five years may be too much, but I think that I would be pleased if they shut the doors on Beaver Stadium for the next two years.  This is not a football story.  It's a disgusting social injustice story that involves a football team.  Football is not what is important here.  Yes, the players and coaches will be victims here so you just let them transfer without having to sit out a year.  There, that problem is solved.  If they can play at Penn State, then they can play almost anywhere.

Like I said earlier, I don't really know who can do what here and I'm not sure that anyone really wants to step up before they have to.  In theory, I would like to see the school be proactive and stop the football team for a little bit just to get their priorities straight.  So that is G$'s call: shut it down for two years.  Those that piss and moan about it are people whose opinions don't matter anyway.  SMU paid players to play for them.  That is small potatoes compared to fostering a culture of child rape, isn't it?

Before I go, is it a dick move to call out Sue Paterno?  You know good goddamn well that her hell-bound husband told her about Sandusky and she didn't do shit about it either.  Wouldn't you think that SuePa knew about that stuff all along, too?  My guess is that the idiot Paterno boys didn't know, but Sue had to.

In conclusion, put Sue Paterno on trial and send her to prison.  She is just as guilty as her maggoty husband.  I hope that Penn State goes bankrupt from all of these lawsuits.  They deserve it.  But for now, I'll settle on the football team going away for awhile.

37 comments:

Grumpy said...

Actually, you've convinced me.

GMoney said...

Oh, you just like me because now you aren't the only one out there that falls asleep in public places all the time.

Anonymous said...

I don't think the NCAA should step in here. What was penn states competitive advantage by covering this up? This is a criminal issue. I just don't see what penalizing the future of penn state athletics will accomplish. The warts have already been removed. That would be like shutting down this terrible blog because mr ace was a vegan the entire time he posted. He's gone now. Time to move on.

Dut

Grumpy said...

Dut, I took your view until I read G$'s reasoning. While the players and current coaches had nothing to do with the crime, the cover-up was done to protect the program. The program and the institution deserve some kind of penance.

Nate B. said...

There are bylaws that require coaches and athletic directors to abide by an ethical and moral code, as it pertains to everyday operation of their athletic program.

So, even if a competitive advantage was not gained, the NCAA still expects coaches & AD's not to act like dicks.

Instead of tearing down a Paterno statue, I'm all for building a Sandusky statue twice it's size right next to it. I call that a competitive disadvantage.

Anonymous said...

Uhh....not sure what the hell Dut is talking about.

What type of competitive advantage does free tattoos get you too? They most definitely had a competitive advantage by never revealing this terrible underbelly of PSU football. Look at last year when OSU was going through it's mess. What did the recruiting letters that PSU sent to specific OSU recruits say? They made sure to point out that at PSU they never had any major violations. Why? Because Paterno obviously ran that shit and buried everything he could. What happened when this story blew up? It was a field day on the PSU program and all of their recruits. By keeping this quiet the program's name never got dragged through the mud and they could hold onto their pristine high and mighty crown.

Not to mention that in the Freeh report they have a lot of evidence that Paterno forced the university to treat football players differently when they got arrested. He strong-armed the university into getting rid of teh woman that was in charge of that stuff, because he wanted any player that got arrested to never let it be known by the media and his punishments not to be known.

There is a big clause on "ethics", which will give the NCAA plenty of leeway into doing whatever punishment they see fit for a university to allow a pedophile to use the football program to groom his rape victims and treat football players differently than anyone.

I don't think G$'s idea is a bad one, but I don't see them shutting the doors for a year or two. I think if they hammered them with a USC-type punishment....and added like a decade of probation....that would be pretty solid. This would allow anybody to transfer....and they will, because no kid's gonna want to stay in Happy Valley, PA and play for nothing....it's not Los Angeles. It would be a crippling blow, but they could then be able to begin to try and build a new identity.

Also, that fucking statue needs to go. They can keep the name on the library...plenty of universities have buildings named after complete shitheads. But, the statue is too much. I don't think those retards on the PSU BOT realize that child rape advocates will be protesting around that statue every fucking football saturday as well. That thing needs to be torn down ASAP.

--Drew

Anonymous said...

Drew- allowing players to receive improper benefits is a competitive advantage. Those players should have been suspended. Also, if recruits know they can get away with anything, it can help with recruiting.

Dut

Anonymous said...

So, let's say Terrelle Pryor told Braxton Miller he could get free tattoos if he went to OSU. How is that any different than a PSU player telling a high school player about how he got arrested once and nobody found out/he didn't even get punished because Coach Paterno controls that shit? Same thing in the "it can help with recruiting".

To say that by keeping this under wraps never helped the PSU program at all...ie gain any advantage, is just crazy.

--Drew

Anonymous said...

G$....What about this idea? How about instead of closing the doors on the whole football program. They give them a USC type punishment AND they ban them from any home games for the next 1-2 years? So, they get to play football....but, the university does not get to have any football saturdays in Happy Valley for a year or two.

--Drew

MUDawgfan said...

From a financial standpoint, I think the Five Year Suspension is a bit too long. Two years with no games is more appropriate.

My reasoning is as follows:

1. PSU football generates close to 100 million dollars for the University and Athletic department. With a five year cancellation of football, you're pretty much cutting your legs off financially. The school will either have to raise tuition substantially, get federal assistance, cut programs or declare bankruptcy to re-write contracts (unlikely, but possible).

I advocate a cleaning of house, but don't think the Biology department or PSU Hospital deserve to be punished because of the football programs transgressions.

2. Obviously, let the the kids who want out of the program transfer without reprocussions. It's the appropriate thing to do.

3. BOY OH BOY! That PSU hockey team and B1G hockey conference is off to a dazzling start.

4. Seriously though, could the B1G kick Penn State out of the conference for this?

Prime99 said...

They should be required to have Scott Bakula, Sinbad, and Kathy Ireland on the team for at least a year.

I probably fall somewhere between Drew and G$'s suggestions on punishments.

Anonymous said...

MUDawg....technically the B1G could kick them out.

It honestly wouldn't surprise me if these victims have the same level of hatred or even more hatred for Paterno/Spanier/Schultz than they have for the tickle monster. That sounds crazy, but Sandusky is obviously a sick and twisted man. He can't really be helped, but he can be caught. The people that knew since 1998 about this....then were told again in 2001....and STILL let him use PSU facilities for his camps, bowl trips to take boys on, etc. Those three people are just as bad. Fucking Sandusky still had access to the facilities until LAST NOVEMBER. It's absolutely mind-blowing how they turned their heads to this for so long.

--Drew

GMoney said...

Drew, first off, I LOVE your desire to kill Dut today.

Second, don't gloss over my SuePa ideas. She knew. She damn well knew everything. She was probably in cahoots with Sandusky and was the real mastermind behind all of this. Just keeping all of these awful secrets under her petticoat of DOOM.

Third, I like the idea of playing all road games. I also like the idea of ripping out Matt Millen's esophagus.

That fucking statue is an embarrassment. Rip it down. Or keep it up and sculpt Nate B's double the size statue of Jerry. That would be terrific.

Anonymous said...

Dottie is worse than Sue, since she ignored rape screams from her basement/never found it odd that her husband was holding constant sleep overs with young boys.

I'd like to volunteer my arm to be the one used to rip out Millen's esophagus.

--Drew

The Iceman said...

Someone calls off work = late to the party. Awesome.

First, TOTES tear that statue down. It's a symbol of how dirty that program was for years.

Second, I'm saying no to shutting down the program even for a small amount of time. Penn State not having football isn't going to help the victims heal. Yeah, the university would take a hit for a few years but a town that loves it's football as much as State College does, you can expect that program to recover eventually. A few years of discomfort won't make up for the abuse these kids took.

What I would like to see is 100% of the football revenue for at least this year (and maybe next if you want to use G$'s 2 year model) go to the victims, their families and charities that are trying to put a stop to this disgusting behavior. Granted, a shit ton of money won't make the pain go away either, but it's a good start.

Finally, OBVZ you need to give those who helped cover this up serious jail time. If I were a victim, the combination of an obscene amount of money and people rotting in jail would make me feel loads better than tearing a statue down and killing football for two years.

Anonymous said...

I think its pretty straight forward, if you can link it to the Football program for a decade plus of 'Lack of Institutional control' (I'd saying hiding a pede for 10+ years while all the right people knew and did the wrong thing is lack of program control), and feel the NCAA has a right to enforce punishment, then they shut it down. SMU was shut down for paying players for christ sake, what should be done with a program that harbors a pedophile on its staff and lets him continue to change nothing about the situation that allows him to molest children for over a decade knowingly? Obviously the priorities are a little more out of line to protect football than giving players cars and wads of cash....

- J Saul

GMoney said...

Dut, I don't see how you can't see the competitive advantage here. Do you really think that Penn State is playing in New Year's Day bowls had this info come to light from the start when it originally happened? Of course not. So Penn State's conference peers got hosed over this. They should have been Indiana and Purdue for the last decade yet the cover up allowed them to continue to be a solid program. FUCK THAT.

It's always been bullshit that the NCAA levies penalties on those that are innocent but that is what they do so I'm not sure why they should stop now. Someone has to pay (and they couldn't get Petey C or Reggie Bush so they went with the next best thing...Kiffin).

Anonymous said...

If Paterno & Company turned Sandusky in in 1998 then the football program would have been. Paterno would have said that he did what was necessary and he would ahve been right. But, then it happened again in 2001...and he already brushed it under the rug so he couldn't let it come out that he knew in 1998.

Why did he do this? He didn't look the other way in 1998 because of himself...he did it to protect the PROGRAM. The image that he had so carefully built up about his completely ethical and clean football program. He used that as his selling point. That is TOTES covering up pedophilia to build a competitive advantage.

--Drew

Anonymous said...

Originally, I couldn't see how this tied back into a competitive advantage, but now I have seen the light. The entire cover up to was to protect the football programs image and, therefore, competitiveness in recruiting and on the field.

One part of me says the death penalty is excessive, because SMU was a repeat violator who laughed in the face of NCAA, despite its repeated warnings/sanctions. However, this cover up is obviously far more severe than what happened at USC and even SMU. Something needs to be done and it needs to be harsh. I like the idea of no home games, but I think the revenue split is fairly equal in the B1G as far as ticket sales go. With all the large stadiums in the B1G, PSU would take a hit, but still be able to keep the doors open.

I think a multi-year bowl ban is appropriate, along with scholarship reductions. This is way more severe than USC so something like 5 year bowl ban and 75 scholarships over 5 years would be good. I would also be on board with a 1-2 year death penalty, but I do not expect that. Naturally, each player should be given the option to transfer without sitting out a year.

-Lil' Strut

GMoney said...

Drew and I on the same team sent to wipe Dut off the Earth???

Brady said...

I've gone back and forth on this. There definitely has to be some kind of football punishment but there is no precedent to go off of in this situation. Fice years is way too long in my opinion. I say you cancel the upcoming season. Let any player transfer without penalty and start anew the following season.

Nate B. said...

Let the victims "horse around" with Spanier / Schultz / Curley's wives.

It's only fair.

The Iceman said...

Guess who's barking about leaving the statue up this afternoon? That's right...Colin T. Cowturd.

Another reason to hate Cowherd. He supports child rape.

Anonymous said...

Zombie talk!

Anyone else watch that 4 minute trailer last night after Breaking Bad (also, ELITE)? Looks to be a doozy, oh and MERLE is back.

Ide

The Iceman said...

I watched Breaking Bad, but the Walking Dead trailer didn't air until after during that new train wreck of a show called Small Town Security or some shit. I opted for bed and just caught the trailer on YouTube. This season is going to TOTES kick ass.

I wonder if Merle is gonna get racist revenge on T-Dawg. I bet he does...

GMoney said...

Iceman, I heard that. He wants Paterno to stay up so people can keep an open dialogue about the topic. It's as if that statue coming down (and rightfully so) equates to brushing things under the rug again. Cowherd is the worst.

Ide, I did not see the Dead trailer last night because I was still too focused on Walter White's ELITE magnetic skills. Breaking Bad is the fucking balls. I don't think that I've ever been more proud of a TV character than when Walter ordered a birthday grand slam at Denny's and then left without eating a bite.

Anonymous said...

I'm confused, other than the massive amounts of money the program brings in, how else do you punish a program for HARBORING and PROTECTING a felon on the staff that was guilty on 45 of 48 felony charges of pedophilia. When the 3 most powerful men in the program knew and hid it for over 10 years?

I think its also a University issue to show where their priorities lie as PA state ACADEMIC INSTITUTION.


If Death penalty isn't the number 1 option here, then what constitutes losing your football program these days? Would protecting a serial killer really be any worse than what has been done here? SMU lost their program for consistent rules violation of paying players to play football. Have the rules changes so much that protecting a child rapist for 10+ years at the expense of your football program doesn't deserve the same consideration? (45 felonies!!!!! Using Penn State facilities protected by his bosses!?)

Maybe the reality is such, that there is just too much money involved in college football to do the right thing anymore?

- J Saul

Prime99 said...

FORTE!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

I think JSaul hit on a good point. The bottom line is that PSU needs to be punished. If you don't punish them by penalizing the football program, then how do you punish them? The more I think about this, the more I think the death penalty has to be seriously considered. PSU football has been the epitome of a corrupt ol' boys club for the past 14 years. It has fostered an atmosphere where an entire university administration would turn its back to some of the most heinous crimes one can commit, just so one man, JoePa, didn't get pissed off. Its shameful and disgusting.

-Lil' Strut

GMoney said...

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LS and JSaul, SMU was given the death penalty only because of Craig James. FACT!

Anonymous said...

They don't need the death penalty. If they absolutely hammer them, then that's almost like getting a death penalty. Look how long it took Michigan to even become relevant again in basketball. They can do that in football.

--Drew

GMoney said...

They may not need it, but they deserve it.

Anonymous said...

But why don't they need it? This isn't a pro sports team where Football is their main operation. This is a state academic school where football is an extra circular. Isn't this a prime example to say 'College football is no above all, and if you make a mistake as monumental as this one, you'll lose your program..'. Not that this would ever happen again in our lifetime.

If this was Mens Soccer at ND I bet it would be an easy 'Wipe them out'.

- J Saul

Anonymous said...

Didn't the NCAA suspend the Duke Lacrosse program when all those players gangbanged that stripper? Maybe Duke self-imposed that.

-Lil' Strut

Grumpy said...

Some type of suspesion of the program. Players allowed to transfer without penalty and the staff can stay on at full salary if they choose to stay for the rebuilding process.

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