Wednesday, February 22, 2012

What To Do With RG3

AND he knows where all the white women at!
The never interesting NFL Combine begins this week (it may have already begun for all I know) and, for as much as I love the Draft, I just can’t get into it. Sure, we all love to watch Rich Eisen run the 40 (no we don’t), but other than that it is painfully dull. But the Combine brings with it the unofficial start of the new year for your NFL team. And that is a good thing because new players mean new excitement and dreams for the fans.

If you are a fan of a terrible franchise like I am with the Washington Redskins, then this is a great offseason. The Skins somehow have almost 50 million to spend under the cap. This is almost unbelievable with the way that the organization has been run until you realize that they have no talent. So there’s that. But the best part is that the team should be getting its “rock” soon. They are not alone. The supply and demand for quality franchise-caliber signal callers is pretty much even this year. Whether it be through the draft or free agency, the handful of teams that have zero hope under center should be able to rectify that problem as long as they are aggressive.

Let’s see: we’ve got Indy, Washington, Cleveland, Miami, and probably Arizona seeking upgrades at QB. And, soon to be on the market are Luck, RG3, Peyton, and Matt Flynn. Needless to say, but you don’t want to be the team left standing debating the merits of Jason Campbell and Kevin Kolb. So what is the point today, you ask? Last week, Todd McShay (who I hate) wrote that if you want RG3, you are going to have to go up to 2 to get him and that it will be a race between Cleveland and Washington to get there. That, my friends, is more than enough for a post here.

First things first, Robert Griffin III is going to be a good-to-great NFL quarterback. This is not up for debate. The guy is smart as fuck (3.67 GPA in PoliSci at a good school), is accurate, and throws a pretty deep ball. He isn’t a runner like Cam or Vick. He is a pocket passer that just so happens to be a World Class hurdler. He is basically Choco Steve Young. This is the kind of guy that you build a franchise around. When the only negative that you hear about the guy is that he’s just a little too skinny, big fucking deal. Put him on the Donovan McNabb diet for two weeks and there is the extra 10-15 pounds of dough that you desire.

As a Redskins fan, I would do it. I would totally move up to get this kid. We haven’t had a good QB since the miracle Mark Rypien season in 1991. It’s time to get a franchise changing stud. In a division with ELITE, Vick, and Romo, there is a reason why we keep finishing last. To move up 4 spots from 6 to 2, I’d give the Rams my first and 2nd this year and my first next year (likely top ten pick). If necessary, I’d throw in the Raiders 4th rounder this year as well. And I don’t even think twice about it. I’m tired of being irrelevant.

Now, everything that I just wrote about above is EXACTLY the kind of thinking that all Browns fans should have. You are never going to compete in that division unless you finally address the QB position. Let’s be honest here, there is absolutely no reason to watch or care about the Browns. There is no excitement, no playmakers, very little talent, no hope. This team should be playing in front of crowds smaller than what St. Iggy draws. The Browns are POINTLESS. But it doesn’t have to be that way. Yes, you have holes all over. Yes, you need better skill players. Yes, you already need a new OC. I get all that.

But what the Browns really need is a jolt of energy. RG3 would turn you from afterthought to must-see almost overnight. Can you imagine how excited you would be to have an electric playmaker running the offense? Remember what Cam did for the equally shitty and unwatchable Panthers? Yeah, Griffin is better. He will make EVERYONE better almost immediately (even Evan Moore!). The Browns aren’t a very aggressive franchise by nature as they are more inclined to move back than to move up, but this is not the time to do that. Now is the time to grow some balls. Franchise quarterbacks don’t grow on trees and they aren’t easy to come by (as you and I know). Who you have drafted in the past has nothing to do right now. Don’t let Tim Couch and Brady Quinn impact the chance to re-invent your team today.

This is going to sound steep but it is time for the Browns to do something. You can build depth at other positions every fucking year but until you address the QB cesspool, you aren’t going to win shit. Joe Thomas isn’t getting any fucking younger. There are no guarantees that Barkley, Jones, Tyler Wilson, or Aaron Murray are going to be rated any higher than RG3 next year anyway (they won’t). Here is what I offer the Rams if I’m Holmgren: I start with picks 4 and 22 this year and a first rounder next year. Like I said, it sounds high to give up 3 first rounders (actually just two since the first one is a swap). By the way, you don’t have a ton of money to spend this year anyway (after you franchise D’Qwell Jackson) so realistically your only option to upgrade that position is through the draft anyway. Do you like it when I drop research and truth on you?

Do you think that the Giants have any regrets for giving San Diego the moon and more for ELITE? Hell no. If you want him (and you should), GO GET HIM. Let’s not forget who you are competing against either. You have more and better looking ammo than Crazy Danny has, but you still have to beat him. Do not get cocky and stupid and think that he’ll fall to #4. That is the dumbest thing ever. You aren’t bringing Peyton or Flynn to town (because free agents avoid Cleve like the plague). The Browns are going to have to do this in the Draft. FACT. So don’t be a pussy.

Look, if Holmgren is going to be stupid and stubborn, I’m more than happy to have RG3 come to the nation’s capitol. He is going to be awesome (even with the Skins). But the point today is to remind Browns fans that your organization has a chance to change everything on the first night of the NFL Draft this year and actually make you interested in what they are selling you again. They might even make you PROUD. All that it’s going to take is a set of testicles to do that. And even though it would probably lead to my stupid team taking Ryan TanneLOL at #6, it would be a great move by a terrible Browns franchise.

Cleveland or Washington…yeesh, is it too late for RG3 to go back to Baylor?

37 comments:

Anonymous said...

The oft cited SACK-LICKER EFFECT!!!

The Iceman said...

Fuck...why the hell not? Nothing else so far has worked. The way I see it is if the Browns sell the farm for Griffin & he busts, I can take comfort in the fact that those picks would have been wasted on Robieske and Massequoi type players anyway. All I know is that my mind, body and soul cannot endure another Seaon of Colt "Discount Double Check Down" McCoy whizzing 5 yard outs to tight ends and fullbacks.

GMoney said...

Exactly, Ice. Eventually you have to go for it. Even if you build up your DL like the Giants or a secondary like the Eagles, it doesn't mean shit if Colt McCoy is still ruining things.

The Browns have all the necessary pieces to correct this now. They should do it.

Anonymous said...

I like the combine.

--Drew

GMoney said...

Dynamite drop-in, Drew. That is why you get paid the big commenting bucks. It must be nice to have a competent QB on your team.

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Anonymous said...

That is correct....due to having a competent QB for the future, I have little care about the RG3 sweepstates. I do agree that it is a very good topic due to you and the Browns fans commentators here.

--Drew

The Iceman said...

You'll wish you participated when Stafford goes down this year. His healthy season was a fluke.

GMoney said...

Iceman, unfortunately or fortunately, Shaun Hill is still better than what was throwing balls incompetently in DC and Believeland last year.

Obama stuff? Get fucked. That's getting deleted.

Anonymous said...

G$ - How bout Kyrie blowing his load all over Detroit's face last night in the fourth quarter? God he is good.

Seal

Anonymous said...

I think the rams are targeting justin Blackmon. If they trade wih the skins, that still leaves the browns sitting there at pick 4 to take him.

I don't want the browns trading all of those picks to move up two spots. There are far too many holes in the roster to give away 3 first rounders. They should sit there at 4 and take what falls to them. Even if rg3 is taken by the browns, who is he going to throw the ball to? You know why colt McCoy always checked down? Because nobody was ever open!

Cam newton had a lot of talent around him this year. Steve smiff is still a solid wr and they had a running game. Rg3 would have none of that.

Dut

Anonymous said...

Ps- this is exactly the reason I was rooting against the browns every week after week 5.

Dut

GMoney said...

Dut, I have a feeling that after this weekend's poking and prodding, Blackmon's stock is going to tumble a bit. I think that the Rams would rather take Kalil or Reiff at 4 or 6.

Again, you are only giving up 2 picks in my secnario, not 3.

Even the good teams have holes on their roster. Why do you want them to continue to ignore the most important position on the team? I've got news for you: if you think that taking BPA in the first round and then grabbing Nick Foles or Osweiler in the 2nd is going to change the culture of the club, you are dead fucking wrong.

Trust me, a great QB and leader can make the lousiest group of receivers effective just by giving them confidence. From what I saw, Greg Little didn't look too shabby last year anyway.

Seal, the way that Kyrie came out in the 4th and dropped buckets of his hot load all over the Pistons was glorious.

Anonymous said...

I'm torn on this. The Browns obviously need a franchise QB so one hand this a slam dunk to do this. But on the other hand, they have ZERO playmakers. Who is RGIII going to throw the ball too? Cam had Steve Smith last year.

But, like Iceman said, why the hell not go for broke. What's the worst that can happen? The Browns completely fuck up an entire draft. Not like that hasn't happened before.

-Damman

Anonymous said...

Did Damman just copy my post?

G$- why should we trust you on what a franchise qb can do? I don't think the golden arm of Todd Collins changed the skins culture either.

Dut

GMoney said...

Why should you trust me? Because I am seriously one of the finest NFL minds in the world!

Let's not forget that Steve Smiff was a washed-up corpse just going through the motions before Cam arrived. Cam Juice rejuvenated Smiff. And as far as weapons, the Panthers pretty much ignored their 2 decent RBs this year.

I just think that "building around your QB" is a better route to being a contender than "building everything else and then get a QB who may not mesh with the guys that you previously drafted".

Go get him now, throw away your late 1st this year and 1st next year, build the team around him, save a little money by not having to pay for a couple of first round picks, pump up the fans again, and start competing for once.

I'm just of the opinion that if you can get a franchise QB that turns you into a contender then who gives a shit what it took to get him.

Anonymous said...

Dut, great minds think alike.

-Damman

The Iceman said...

Correction...McCoy always checks down because he is terrible and a pussy. Maybe the Browns WR issues aren't a lack of talent at WR, maybe its the fact that we ALWAYS WAIT TIL THE 3RD FUCKING ROUND TO DRAFT A FRANCHISE QB (outside of Tim Couch of course). A shit qb is a good way to make everyone else look like shit too.

McCoys throw anticipation skills are about as good as Edge James public speaking skills. McCoy is too chicken shit to throw down the field because he's too terrible to anticipate an open WR like ELITE qbs do. I'm done with the Fryes and McCoys of the college world. Give me a playmaker at the most important position.

Anonymous said...

Shut it Iceman...Stafford's shoulder is fused together now. Like a robot now. He is ELITE.

Seal and G$...CONGRATS on trying to make the playoffs! So dumb.

Knight + Monroe + better 2012 1st round pick > Kyrie + Thompson + worse 2012 1st round pick.

Deal with it.

--Drew

GMoney said...

Drew, the records are pretty close (for some reason the Pistons have played 4 more games though which is weird). There is still a chance that we get more lotto balls than you (after we sell off Ramon and Jamison). Here is math that I like much, much more:

Kyrie+Tristan+Andy+no cap killers > Knight+Monroe+Stuckey+Gordon/Charlie V/LOL

Iceman is now officially on my side of the debate. I have turned him. He is now thinking like a sane person.

Brady said...

At first, I was totally against giving up more picks just to move up 2 spots. I really think that Heckert knows what he's doing and can do some good with all of those picks. But G$ makes a good point. We need an ELITE QB in that division to have any shot in hell of competing. Fuck it. Let's just go out and get him if he won't slip to #4.

Anonymous said...

Well, you can start by taking away Charlie V or English Ben...cuz' they are gonna amnesty one of those fucks away in the off-season. So, I guess the LOL is on you there for using wrong math.

Stuckey and Knight have been killing it lately...they may work out very well together and Stuckey's contract is actually very reasonable if he were needed to be dealt.

Thompson sucks.

--Drew

GMoney said...

I thought that they already amnesty'ed Rip? Was that just a stright buy-out then?

Tristan is 20 years old and still growing into his body. No one said that he was a finished project right away. He'll be fine.

I converted Brady, too! Good day for Money!

MUDawgfan said...

I work with alot of Browns backers and they are 100% sold that Trent Richardson is the best option. They claim that he'll take immediate pressure off McCoy, is ready for an NFL 25 carries a game and is the type of punishing back required in the AFC North.
He's a helluva player, so its tough to argue with them

Good Browns story: At Miami I lived with a Browns fan. He was the type of asshole who would shit on your team (despite their record) because they didn't have the "history or tradition" of Cleveland. Anywho, it was 2002 when the Browns picked up a kid late in the draft named Ben Gay. He was a running back who did well in his first well preseason games and scored on a couple of screen passes. Well the Browns fan I lived with claimed that Ben Gay "was going to change the way that people look at runningbacks in the future of the NFL"

As it turned out, Gay had 5+ fumbles in his first four weeks and was released midway through the season.

The Iceman said...

Thompsons still growing into his body, eh? Nice to know you speant the #4 on a project. I'm gonna start calling him Amir Johnson because he'll probably end up just as terrible.

Anonymous said...

Rip was just a straight buy-out. They saved their amnesty clause to use this coming summer. Tom Gores makin' it rain up in this mothafucka!


--Drew

Brady said...

I think Trent Richardson is going to be a pretty good RB but I don't think thats the way to go. Almost all of the playoff teams this year succeeded with a group of decent backs that shared the carries. Quarterbacks and top Lineman are the way to go high in the draft. You can pick up serviceable guys in the 2nd and 3rd rounds to round out your roster. The days of the ELITE featured RB's may be coming to a close.

GMoney said...

In today's NFL, you shouldn't take a RB in the top half of the first round. You could make a decent case that running backs are worthless. If the Browns take Richardson at 4, which admittedly wouldn't be THAT bad but still ignores HUGE holes on the roster, then Holmgren and Heckert should be fired on the spot.

Ah, good move then not to use the amnesty on Rip. Unfortunately, they can only use it on one guy and not 8 of those turds.

Iceman, you STILL don't get it. This was a one (maybe 2) player draft. The Cavs got the ONE superstar and everyone else was going to need work. Kanter is raw. The foreigners are raw. Jimmer is a goddamn joke. So yes, I will take the young big that is still growing that has athleticism out the ass. And Amir Johnson...not that bad.

Anonymous said...

I still think it's at least debatable that the Cavs could have done better going Derrick Williams at # 1 and Brandon Knight at # 4. Obviously, Kyrie is the best player in the draft...but, I'm not so sure that the average of Kyrie + Thompson is > than Williams and Knight. Probably won't be able to figure that out for a few years I guess.

--Drew

The Iceman said...

Exactly what I said from the start, Drew. Christ! Drew gets it...why can't you, G$? The gap between Irving and Knight isn't going to be huge. Irving may end up being the better player but not by a laughable margin. Williams, on the other hand, has a monumental higher ceiling than Thompson. You're going to get more production and fewer headaches out of the Williams/Knight combo because both were NBA ready going into the draft. Who knows if Thompson will ever be NBA ready? Just not something I would risk with the 4th overall. I would sacrifice the best player in the draft at the top spot to get two really really really good players at 1 and 4.

GMoney said...

Revisionist history is tarded. Look, assholes, almost EVERYONE had Utah picking Knight at 3 to replace D-Will (which would have allowed them to take Anus at 4). They already had Jefferson, Millsap, and at the time Okur in the paint. Few saw them taking Kanter. It would have been a massive roll of the dice to go Williams and then pray for a PG to fall to you. If they had known that that would have happened, then maybe that is how Chris Grant plays it. But they didn't so quit staying stupid shit like they should have "done this" instead.

So if the question is: Would I rather have Kyrie/Anus over Williams/Knight, the answer is yes.

Why? Because there are 5 better wing players than Derrick Williams in this year's lottery.

Grumpy said...

WTF? This was about RG3 and the NFL Draft and then somehow took a turn to the Cavs/NBA?

Do any of the commenters ever put in a productive day of work? I don't see how with all the time spent here.

GMoney said...

Excellent point, Grumpy, no one that visits this site contributes to society ever.

The Iceman said...

Grumpy...you know I don't do shit at work. This is old news.

The Iceman said...

So you admit that Cleveland botched the #4 then. That's all I want from you at this point. Well...that and an under the table hand job on Saturday.

GMoney said...

No, not at all. With how the first three picks went, who else should they have taken? If you say one of the Morris wastes I will LOL. MAYBE Alec Burks? From what I've seen from Tristan thus far, he is going to be fine.

Anonymous said...

I like how G$ thinks EVERYONE thought Utah was going PG...when really he's talking about the idiot media. I'd bet the majority of teams in the lottery had intel that they weren't...which means the Cavs probably could have gone Williams/Knight.

Also...Grumpy's retired ass should be posting more than worrying about how much work we are doing.

--Drew