|Jay Cutler would have went on IR with this broken nose.|
Anon said: He will never be as good as Brady, Manning. Favre. Marino, Elway. and should never be in the same sentence as Montana.
--We will see about Brady. Other than his 50 touchdown with no Super Bowl season, he hasn't really racked up the numbers. And his reputation for being a winner has taken a pretty sizeable hit over the past 5 years. Peyton and Favre have one ring each with very good talent and have ended more seasons with stupid decisions than they have saved them. Dan Marino isn't even welcome into this conversation. John Elway never won anything without Terrell Davis and Mike Shanahan...should we hold that against him? While Montana was amazing, he was never a numbers monger. He wouldn't have been a top fantasy football pick. He just won playoff games and Super Bowls. Period. Sound familiar?
Iceman said: There's no one you would rather have in the 4th quarter because no other team's defense allows the QB to still make plays that matter in the 4th quarter by successfully masking all of the mistakes he made in the first three quarters. Who has a 35 QB rating in the AFC championship game?
--Huh? I'm not even sure that that first run-on sentence made sense. For as good as the Steelers defense is, they've still given up over 21 points per game at home in the playoffs against average (at best) offenses. Sure, his numbers against that very good Jets defense weren't great, but he made all the plays down the stretch that he needed to which he has done throughout his career which pretty much defines clutch. And if you didn't notice, every QB last weekend seemed a bit off. But that wasn't even in the top 3 for your dumbest comments on Monday.
Mr. Ace said: Playing for the Steelers has made his career much more than it should be. He's no Tom Brady. He's more like Trent Dilfer.
--You say this as if winning a Super Bowl were the easiest thing possible. Like we could all get together, form a really unathletic team, and just watch the Lombardi trophies come rolling in. Can we maybe say that Tom Brady is overrated? He hasn't won a playoff game in four years and lost the last three games (NYG, BAL, and NYJ) when his team was a HEAVY favorite in all of them. And why don't we attack Brady for having
Dut said: If I were starting a franchise, I would not pick Big Ben as my franchise QB. He is solid, but I think the Steelers are still in the superbowl with at least 15 other QBs in this league. I evaluate QBs based on if you remove them from the team. Take away Ben and the Steelers are still elite. Take away Manning and the Colts are the Browns.
--Ironically, Dut, the Steelers did just what you said that you wouldn't do 7 years ago and it has worked out pretty well for them. I am amazed that you are not working in the front office for some team. 15? Again, you make it sound so simple. Rivers had the best defense in the league this year and couldn't make the playoffs. Tony Romo has incredible talent all over the field and has one playoff win. Donovan McNabb was the same way. And to be quite honest, if you swapped Peyton to the Steelers for this postseason, I don't think that they are still playing. I've seen Peyton suck too much under the bright lights to trust him. I see your point though about the Steelers still being pretty good, but they wouldn't be elite. They would be more like the Jets and the Ravens. Playoff teams, but not really a Super Bowl contender. And if Ben played the last 7 years with the Colts, don't you think that Indy would have more than 1 Super Bowl win? I do.
Iceman said: Raper was so bad in the last Super Bowl, Pittsburgh almost lost (if not for a Steeler defensive TD to close the half) to a team that barely made the playoffs. Raper's first SB win is still the worst statistic game of any SB winning QB. How are we being haters? He wins on the heels of a great defense and probably the best defensive coordinator in the history of football. Put him on any other team and his success is cut in half. Fact.
--To Iceman, this equals bad: 21-30/256/1 TD/1 INT/93.2 Rating. Yep, that Harrison touchdown ended the game right there, didn't it? Forget about Fitzgerald's touchdown with 2 minutes left (in which no one covered him) for Arizona to take the lead. MEANINGLESS. Let's also ignore that 90 yard drive Ben led to win it and featured one of the greatest throws-and-catches in Super Bowl history. HARRISON WON THE GAME. That Cardinals team got pretty damn hot at the right time and they were quarterbacked by Our Lord and Savior Jesus Warner. There have been worse teams in the Super Bowl. Do we look down on Brady's two wins against McNabb and Delhomme? Of course not because then we would be acknowledging the double standard! And sure, in 2005 when he became the youngest QB to ever win a Super Bowl, he didn't play well at all. But let's not forget who got them to Detroit. They won three road games to get there. Ben's numbers, you ask? 49-72, 7 touchdowns, 1 pick. Outstanding. Please, I would love to see your list of the greatest defensive coordinators in league history. And again, these are not facts that you present. They are opinions. I present facts.
Iceman said even more: What won the game was the defense...nearly shutting out the Jets in the first half and making an enormous goal line stand in the 4th to preserve a small lead. Give credit to the strength of your team for Christ sake. Brady has 4 titles playing on that team. Maybe more.
--What is it with you and ending games at halftime? Had the Jets just run Shonn Greene 4 times, that defense likely gives up 24 points to Mark Sanchez. The strength of the Steelers: defense, wide receiver, and a play-making quarterback. You do realize that they have had a very average running game ever since he's been around which makes sense because that offensive line is terrible. How many Pro Bowlers has Brady had blocking for him and keeping him clean? Want to know how many the Steelers have had: 2 and one of them was a rookie this year (the other being Faneca who left the team three-four years ago). That makes a big difference when you can fluff your hair in the pocket for ten seconds as opposed to running for your life as soon as the snap gets to you.
Iceman yet again: Any time your starting quarter back sits out for whatever reason (motorcycle accident, emergency surgery, rape) and the team doesn't suffer in the win/loss column you can see where the strength of the team is. For Pittsburgh that strength has always been and will always be the defense.
--Ah yes, all of these examples that you gave caused him to miss a whole FIVE games in 7 years. Whoopty-fucking-doo. That is hardly definitive proof that they would be just the same without him. What happened when he was out with his concussions and the Steelers lost? Can we count those games here? And are you implying that the Steelers are a playoff team with Byron Leftwich and/or Charlie Batch and/or Dennis Dixon? Surely you jest. That is flat out absurd.
Look, I don't want to make you all look and feel as stupid as you are. You were just born ignorant and are trying to deal with it. I get it. But this is what I know:
*His career playoff record is 10-2
*The Steelers have a below average offensive line and an average at best running game
*Bruce Arians is a very shaky offensive coordinator
*You can't win a title just on defense
*He is 2-0 in Super Bowls
*He is going for his third ring in 7 years
*I wouldn't want any other QB to have the ball in the 4th quarter of a playoff game
*As vague as this sounds, he just makes plays
In essence, he's the best winner in football right now. It doesn't always shows up in the stats but when the game is on the line, there is no one better than Ben. And that is why I compared him to Derek Jeter on Monday. I will even take it a step further with another comparison. He is the ultimate closer in the game currently. He is a white trash Mariano Rivera. Just answer me this, if you had to win ONE playoff game, who would you rather have? You're lying if you say anyone else and I have history on my side to prove it.
Now, I don't want you to think that this is a homer post because it isn't. I truly believe that he did what he was accused of in Georgia but got away with it. And one day, karma is going to get him for it. But you know what, I don't care. You look at everything I just laid out there and tell me that that isn't elite. Tell me. Because if you even think otherwise, you are dead wrong. I hate Mike Vick for what he did but my fat ass doesn't care when he's entertaining the shit out of me on Sundays. Same thing here. Respect him for what he is...one of the best quarterbacks and winners in the game. Elite quarterbacks are made on the field, not on stat sheets. GMoney has spoken.